his company contract with, throughout the government and local and state governments and corporations. this is just typical diversity talk within our-- within our government and within our corporate culture and what needs to be exposed and private companies want to waste their money, that's fine, but our taxpayers dollars need to be more wisely. >> tucker: if you're a participant in one of these seminars and spend all day how white men are bad. wouldn't you feel-- is it a surprise that race relations are so bad? >> they highlight the differences of people as opposed to those that unite us and people focus on those in the workplace and i think these types of programs lead to increased disputes about racial discrimination and baseless. it's a major problem of the federal government and we talk about a lot of problems here in washington and this is a lot of what goes on in washington in terms of everyday government and what bureaucrats do each and every day and we need to talk about it more. is there any area ripe for oversight this is it. >> i agree, assuming someone is courageous enoug